Under Shelf Storage Basket |
Always
looking for ways to increase the storage space on Sarah, I've tried several
different ways to use the space at the foot of my berth in the aft cabin.
There is a deep foot well under the two large drawers on the aft bulkhead.
Previously I hung a couple of chart rolls with elastic cord in this space.
The well is tall enough that my size 11-1/2 feet didn't hit the chart rolls,
even though I'm generally a thrashing sleeper.
In early June, 2008 I was in the Container Store (one of my favorite marine
supplies stores) and noticed the Elfa under
shelf basket system and realized the the shallow basket was no deeper than
those chart rolls and would likely fit in the same space.
So I purchased a 45cm basket and the shelf mounts then installed the basket
under the outboard drawer. |
The
basket is not a perfect fit. It extends out from under the drawer by
about 1 inch, but that is small enough that stuff will not easily fall out
of the basket.
In the picture on the left I've filled this basket with underwear and socks.
The basket slides on runners. There is a stop on the basket to keep if
from sliding all the way out, off the runners. I'll need to add some
elastic cord to keep the basket secured under the drawer when at sea. |
The
picture on the right shows how much of the foot space the basket occupies.
So far this has not been a problem for me or my size 11-1/2 feet.
Subsequently I added another basket inboard of this one. |
The
second basket holds a
full set of sheets and pillow cases. |
Here
you can see the runners on which the baskets are mounted. |
Shoe Storage |
Now this is really a minor storage solution, but since I've moved on
board where to store shoes as been an issue. It's not that I have a
lot of shoes, I didn't have that many when I was working for a living and
had several walk-in closets. When onboard I usually go barefoot. When
I leave the boat I usually wear one of four shoes:
- Sandals for when I'[m visiting other boats and need to be able
to remove and put them back on easily. Sandals are also great when taking
the dinghy to a beach.
- Hiking shoes when I'm going to be walking more than a mile or so.
- Lands End Trekkers for any other time I need to wear shoes
- Leather boat shoes when I need to dress up a little
I've
stored shoes in lockers, but after a a number of weeks they become encrusted with
mildew and mold. The shoes I use most often are normally left next to
my berth, but that clutters up the aft cabin. I just needed a place to
store the shoes where they would be immediately available, but not under
foot. Then one day in a Target on another shopping mission I noticed
the over the door shoe storage systems. I didn't want the over the
door mounting and I didn't need storage for 12 pairs of shoes, but I did
like the idea of storing the shoes in pouches
So I bought one of the shoe storage systems, cut it down and mounted it
on the bulkhead forward of the Navigation Station using snaps, as shown in
the picture on the left.
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This
is otherwise unused space below the Navigation Station chair. The pouches
are currently secured only by snaps along the top edge, but I will likely
put snaps along the buttom edge as well. |
Under Cabin Sole |
There
are two hatches in Sarah's cabin sole. The aft one provides access to
the Walter V-Drive and the engine drive train. The forward hatch
provides access to the bilge sump and the aft end of the encapsulated keel,
where I have position most of the water pumps. Between this hatch and
the main mast step is a large area that is inaccesible. This area is
shown in the picture on the left. Some of this space is occupied by
the old shower sump, which is no longer in use but could not easily be removed
because of the lack of access. I have long wanted to gain access to
this area, but that would require cutting hatches into the cabin sole -
something I don't have the skill to attempt on my own. |
On
March 2, 2010 Sarah was hauled at Deaton's Yacht Services in Oriental, NC and I
used this opportunity to have Deaton's cut the hatches in the cabin sole.
This seemed like the quickest and cheapest way to get the job done.
Deaton's would just cut out the hatches and I would finish them myself.
Someday I will realize there is no such thing as a quick and cheap piece of
work on a boat.
In the picture on the right I have marked out the hatches I want cut beneath
the dinning table, which has been removed. This is to be three
side-by-side hatches, each providing access to a portion of the area under
the cabin sole. When all three hatches are removed I should have
almost un-restricted access to this new storage area. |
In
addition to these hatches I decided to also cut a hatch in the galley area
of the cabin sole. There is not a lot of storage space in this area,
but the teak veneer has been delaminating for over a year and a hatch seemed
like an easy way to remove that delaminated flooring. Once again I was
using the totally inappropriate word "easy" in a sentence describing a boat
project. I guess I'll never learn this lesson.
In this picture I have layed out the dimensions of the galley hatch. |
Deaton's
and I decided to start with the galley hatch. Since I was not going to
re-use this delaminated flooring any problems encountered could be overcome
with brute force and no loss. The boatwright began cutting out the
hatch using a Bosch oscillating cutting tool. |
After cutting through the flooring and trying to loosen the cut-out we
discovered that Pearson had left a surprise for us. I was aware the
flooring is made up of two layers of plywood. The top layeer is 1/2'
plywood with the Teak and Holly veneer that is the finished surface of the
floor. Beneath that is a 3/4" plywood sub-floor that is structural
part of the floor. I had assumed that the two layers had been
laminated together with glue and secured to the cross members beneath the
floor with screws through both layers. Thus, when those screws were
removed and the flooring cut through the hatch sections should come free.
Not
so, Pearson had secured the sub floor to the cross beams with screws, then
layed the Teak veneer plywood on top of that and secured it with another set
of screws. So the Teak veneer plywood had to be removed before we
could gain access to the screws holding the sub floor to the cross-beams.
Thankfully we started with the galley hatch for which I didn't need to
retain the cut-out material. Knowing the construction of this flooring
will hopefully prevent inadverdant destruction of the panel in the table
hatches and make that larger job go a little easier (again that word).
The picture on the left shows the galley hatch with the Teak veneer plywood
removed and the sub floor exposed. |
This
picture shows the screw heads that secured the sub-floor to the cross beams. |
Finally
the hatch opening has been cut and I have access to the space on under this
area of the cabin sole. Not really that much space here, but the
delaminated Teak veneer has been removed.
Now onto the hatches under the dining table. |
The
next day work began on cutting out the hatches under the dining table.
Once again the way Pearson secured the two layers of the flooring made the
job go more slowly than expected. Also in this case I wanted to retain
the cutout panels as the hatch material, so the boatwright was more carefull
in removing the bungs and screws that secured the veneer plywood to the
subfloor. |
It
took most of the morning to remove the cutout for the port side hatch.
Notice that the bungs and screws in the center panel have been removed. |
By
mid-afternoon all three panels had been cut out. |
The
inoperative shower drain sump, which appears to be glassed to the top of
keel (thanks, Pearson). |
When
Mike Repass and I were sailing to Portugal in 2005 we had very poor
connections to Winlink and SailMail. Finally in Horta we strung some
radials off the antenna tuner and the SSB operation improved dramatically.
I always wondered why the radials were necessary. Now I think I know.
That green mess on the right side of the picture is all that is left of the
copper foil signal ground for the SSB. |
Until
I have finished the new hatches, this piece of plywood will suffice as a
cover for the openings. |
After I moved Sarah back to New Bern and the weather warmed a bit, I begain
work on the hatches to cover the cabin sole cutouts. In the case of
the hatches under the table, the cutout material would become the hatches.
In the case of the hatch in the galley I had Deaton's fabricate two pieces
of plywood to become the hatch. The priority was to get the hatches
under the table completed so I could re-install the table and not have to
eat standing up.
I
could now get access to the shower sump, but I could not remove it.
The sump tank appears to have been glassed to the top of the keel. I
tried various methods to break it free, including a pry bar. I didn't
apply a lot of force as I would rather have the whole tank in place rather
than fragments still glassed to the keel.
So for now I'm leaving the tank in place. I took off the top and
cleaned up the inside. I could use this tank as another locker for
parts or tools. |
This
picture shows how I might use this storage area - all of the tool boxes I
use on a regular basis and a few of the power tool kits I keep on board.
This may not be the ideal use for this space as it can get wet from rain
water through the mast and seawater when I remove or replace the knotmeter
sending unit. That seawater is likely the culprit that dissolved the
SSB grounding foil shown above. |
In
the picture on the left I have laminated the two pieces of plywood for one
hatch to gether using waterproof wood adhesive. |
I
also purchased latching lift rings for these hatches from
MarinePartDepot.com. The lift rings on the existing hatches are
not latching, however they are on the center line of the boat and are not a
great threat to come loose during any but a pitch-pole or roll-over. The
new hatches are well off the center-line and a severe knock down could
launch them across the cabin. After I've installed the latches on the new
hatches, I may go back and add them to the existing ones. |
Providing
Support Braces for Hatches Under the Table |
The
cutouts for the hatches under the table were not chosen very well. I
now have to add cleat stock to the frames under the cabin sole to support
the edges for the new hatches. The first of these cleats was
relatively easy as shown on the left. This a 2x3 board of clear pine that I
screwed and bolted to the cross member under the sole. If I had
started the cutout about 2" aft of where it is now, this cleat would not
have been necessary. The things you learn when the job is half over. |
In
the picture on the right I have added longitudinal cleats to support the
long edges of the hatches. I used zinc-plated corner braces to
attach these cleats. |
A
few days later I added a cleat to the forward edge of each of the outboard
hatches. I could not secure these cleats to the existing frames, so I
thru-bolted them to the cabin sole. You can see the counter-sunk screw
heads in the cabin sole. I'll have to fill those holes with teak
plugs. |
The
support for the hatches under the table is now complete and I can almost see the finish
of this project. To complete the hatches I still need to complete the
following:
- Install the Lift Ring Latches. I think I can get away with one
latch on each of the outer hatches and no latch on the center hatch.
- Plug the screws that secured the laminated plywood to the sub-floor
plywood and the machine screws that secure the forward braces for the
outboard hatches.
After the under table hatches are complete, then I can go on to the hatch
in the Galley sole.
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Installation of the Latches |
The
installation of the Lift Ring Latches severely tested my wood
working skills. I chose the round lift rings so that I could use a
Fortstner bit to cut the counter sink for the hardware. If I had gone
with a rectangular or square lift ring I would have had to use my Dremel
rotary tool as a router and a wood chisel, a much more difficult (for me) approach.
The first thing I did was draw a template for the lift ring
(MarinePartsDepot.com did not provide one).
The legend in the template says , "Edge of Hatch". This should say
"Edge of Cleat". That is the template is fixed by the position of the
cleat supporting on edge of the hatch, not the edge of the hatch itself. So if the width
of the cleat is 3/4", the template should be positioned 3/4" from the edge
of the hatch. In practice I added 1/16" to that margin. |
I
used the template to temporarily install one of the latches on a piece of scrap 2x6. |
I
had some problems drilling the holes perpendicular to the wood surface, so I
think I'll practice this install on the scrap wood a few more times before
cutting into the real hatches. |
It was a good thing I practiced the installation on waste stock before
attempting it on the real hatch material. I discovered it was almost
impossible get the 2" Forstner bit started in the material without it
walking as much as 1/8". This bit is intended for use in a drill
press, something I left behind when I started cruising.
I
have a portable drill guide that helps me drill holes at fixed angles, and
it helps a bit. However, as you can see in the picture on the left I
still can't keep the Forstner bit on the mark until it has carved its way
into the wood about 1/16". After that the walls of the hole being
drilled keep the bit in one place. Unfortunately by that time the hole
being drilled is not centered where I intended it to be.
After several unsuccessful attempts in the waste stock, I hit on the idea of
starting the hole with a hole saw. The hole saw has a guide bit that
is in the material by as much as 3/8" before the saw teeth are engaged.
This provides sufficient support to keep the hole saw from walking once the
teeth bite into the wood. I used a 2" hole saw to provide a groove for
the Forstner bit to help it get started without walking.
This was successful in the waste stock, so I was ready to start installing
the latches in the real hatch material. My first attempt was on the
hatch in the Galley. |
Installing the Galley Hatch |
In
the picture on the left I have installed the latches in the Galley hatch and
put it in place. I still need to do a little more planning of the edges
of the hatch to provide a better fit. Right now it binds a bit at the
forward end of the hatch. With changes of temperature and humidity I
expect the hatch to swell a bit, which might increase the binding
sufficiently to jam the hatch. I'm using a block plane on the edges of
the hatch to improve the fit. |
In
this picture the hatch has been pulled up, showing the bottom of the
latches. The horizontal bar rotates under the cleats that support the
forward and aft ends of the hatch. The bars are locked in this
position when the left rings are folded down into the body of the fitting. |
The
depth I needed for these latches to secure under the hatch cleats was in
excess of the nominal dimensions of the latches. These are the deepest
latches I could find, and I was prepared to carve a knotch in the cleats to
allow the latch arm to swing into the locking position.
I did notice that if I removed the lock nut at the bottom of the threaded
rod I could position the arm just low enough to swing under the cleats.
The arms have a set screw that is used to lock its position on the threaded
rod. I hope that will provide sufficient power to prevent the arm from
rotating on the threaded rod. If the set screw is not sufficient to
hold the arm in place (so far it's working) I will drill a knotch into the
rod to provide a more secure connection between the set screw and the rod. |
Assuming the arms on the latches continue to work without modification, I
still have several tasks before the galley hatch is complete.
- Cover the heads of the screws I used to clamp the two pieces of
plywood together for gluing.
- Finish trimming the hatch edges to provide a better fit
- Paint or varnish the upper surface of the hatch.
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Finally
the Galley hatch is finished. I decided to varnish rather than paint
the top of the hatch. The Mahogany veneer is not that great a surface,
but I had a small can of varnish in my parts bins so why buy paint? I
put down 5 coats, then taped off the center part put down 2 coats there with
a non-skid compound mixed. I added one final coat of the varnish to
everthing. Then I re-installed the latches and put the hatch back in
place.
The reason the non-skid area has an irregular shape is to identify the
forward end.
I believe this project is finally over. |
Installing
the Latches in the Hatches Under the Table |
Having
practiced installing the latches several times on scrap stock and then
installing two latches on the hatch in the Galley, repeating the process on
the two outboard hatches under the table was very straightforward.
The only difference is with these hatches I installed the latches well off
either of the edges. I decided to latch to the cross beam about 5" aft
of the forward edge of these hatches. I thought this would make it
much easier to lift and replace the hatch with a single lift ring.
In the picture on the left I used the 2" hole saw to provide a groove for
the Forstner bit to minimize the amount of walk by that large bit. |
On
the right the port table hatch is in place and latched. The only
remaining task for these hatches is to fill the counter sink holes with teak
bungs. |
What Goes Down There |
I
think I will be doing a lot of experimentation with the stuff that actually
gets stored under the cabin sole. I've pretty much decided it won't be
power tools as shown in the picture above. For now I will store my
fastener collection (all stainless steel) and a few toolboxes. The
collection shown in the picture on the left pretty much filled up two large
lockers before, and there is still room for more stuff. |
Since
I am stuck with the old shower sump in place, I was pleased to discover that
some of my plastic parts bins/toolboxes are a near perfect fit in the sump. |
Hatch Over Prop Shaft |
This
hatch has nothing to do with storage, only access below the cabin sole.
While I had Sarah at Deaton's Yacht Services for the V-Drive replacement I
had them cut a hatch between the large one over the V-Drive and engine box. |
This
hatch gives complete access to jack-shaft between the transmission and
V-Drive and the prop shaft from the V-Drive to the shaft log. |
In
particular it gives access to the PSS shaft seal, something that was very
difficult before.
This hatch also gives access to a number of water hoses that very difficult
to get to before. |
I
used the same lifting latch as I used on the other hatches. I forgot
to add 1/16"-1/8" margin when positioning this latch with the
template I created for the earlier hatches.
Without that margin the latch piece is a little too close to the cleat stock
and the knuckle of the latch (the vertical part) presses against the cleat.
This makes the operation of the latch a little stiff. That's not
really a bad thing, but it would have been better if I had positioned the
latch a little further aft. |
Forward Companionway Storage |
One
of the most wasted spaces in the main cabin is that under the forward
companionway ladder. This space is open, especially to allow anything
stored there to slide into the galley when the boat is on starboard tack.
Mike Repass picked up several small Coca Cola cases while we were in Horta
and they fit perfectly under the steps. I secured them in place with
elastic cord and stored some safety items (harness, lights, etc.) in those
cola cases. Unfortunately I couldn't store anything really bulky or
heavy and finally the cola cases deteriorated and had to be disposed of.
When I finished up the cabin sole hatches described
above, I still had that sheet of 1/2"
plywood I used to cover the cutout under the dining table. So I cut a
piece to match the space between the ladder and the bulkhead. This is
now a door for the space under the ladder. |
I
used a pair of the break-apart hinges I purchased for the
engine box cover, but never used for that
purpose. These should provide plenty of strength to hold the storage
boxes I've placed under the ladder. The hinges are secured to the
bulkhead with self-taping screws, but are through-bolted to the plywood
door.
Although the door will not swing fully open, parallel to the bulkhead I can
still get full access to this space by lifting the door off the hinges.
The plastic boxes I've placed behind the ladder are too large to slide
between the steps. In the future I may want to place smaller tool
boxes in this area that might fit between the steps. In that case I
will likely run some strong elastic cord down the back edges of the steps to
keep those items in place. |
To secure the plywood door shut I installed a barrel bolt that slides down
into a bulkhead keeper in the cabin sole.
This
along with the through-bolted hinges in the door should be strong enough to
hold back the storage boxes I plan to keep in this space. The barrel
bolt ((Perko 0947DP1 CHR) has a friction plate to keep the slide from
moving. That, and gravity, should keep it in place when Sarah is
rolling or pitching.
The only problem might be at the top of the door, which is not secured.
I don't plan to stack anything heavy more than half the height of the door,
so I don't think this will be a problem. If it does become a problem
I will install a brace from the bulkhead to the ladder tube and use the
brace to secure the top of the door.
Now all I have to do is cover the edges of the plywood and paint it. |
When I replaced the original Kenyon stove with
Force 10 in 2003 I lost the
storage space for the oven cover. The cover used to slide into the
space outboard of the oven, but the Force 10 is deeper than the Kenyon and
the cover no longer fit in that space.
I did find a natural place to store the cover - behind the forward
companionway ladder, hooked on the back of the top step. The only
problem with this space is that the cover was not secure and when the boat
rolled or heeled the cover would slide out and crash onto the cabin sole.
So
this storage place was not usable under way until I could figure out a way
to secure the cover. After installing the door for the space under the
ladder I realized how I could secure the cover - with another of those
barrel bolts.
I installed a barrel bolt on the bulkhead trim just above where the cover
rest when stored under the ladder. |
Then
I drilled a 3/8" hole into the edge of the cover. The bolt slides down
into the hole and the cover can't move.
This is one of those very expensive Perko barrel bolts, but they are the
only ones I can find with a keeper for the bolt. The plastic insert
under the body of the barrel bolt provides enough friction to keep the bolt
in place. I do not have to worry about this bolt coming loose when the
boat is underway.
One additional advantage of this storage space for the oven cover is that it
acts as a kick plate for the companionway protecting the bulkhead from hard
shoes. Now I need to finally finish painting the bulkhead. |
Storage Under Sette Benches |
In the processs of fixing a leak in the water
tank under the port settee bench, I had to make a cutout in the bulkhead
just aft of the settee. This provided access to the open space between
the water tank and the bulkhead. This space is about 6" wide. I
found some small containers at Walmart that just fit in this space.
There is enough room to stack these containers.
This space was discovered years ago by several other P424 owners, but only the need
for access to the water tank finally forced me to make this space available
on Sarah.
I still have to put a cover on this openning. Initially I will
probably just cover it with a piece of HDPE, which means this space will not
be used for anything I need frequent access to. |

Storage Space Between the Water Tank and the Aft Settee Bulkhead |

Containers Stored in This Locker |
The five containers shown on the left easily fit within this storage space. |